These tires have been an expensive disappointment. Turn-in is very slow at 50-60kph (ie right turn on city street), but OK at low speed; bumping pressure up to 38psi F, 34 R helps a lot, at the expense of a jarring ride over driveway curbs, manhole covers & pot holes. There's too much understeer, especially in the wet, and I often think that a stiffer rsb is a must for next spring. Wet braking is poor, and traction control often cuts in. Wet cornering grip is not inspiring, and in the dry it's a far cry from what I was expecting. Starting grip from a stop in the dry is lacking and poor in the wet (traction control activates too often, and the car just doesn't hook-up with even just moderate throttle in the wet). One cm of wet snow last week, on level ground, was scary - there was just no grip for starting, turning or stopping: the rubber compound is wrong! Did I mention that they were expensive. I'm waiting for more snow before I decide if I put the OEM Michelin MXM4's back on, or just use the other car. I purposefully make my wife use the other car because I could see her having a problem with this one in the wet, particularly turning against traffic at a light.